kind on the debt ceiling. it's pushing them away and fitch says, watch out, here comes a downgrade. this is entirely possible with very serious consequences. >> sean: he could use the kids tomorrow as he announces executive orders as props. >> exploit them. >> sean: exploit them, i agree, that's the right term. interesting, is he going to say to them, by the way i'm the guy that's giving you 10 trillion dollars in debt? is he going to say i'm sorry i broke open your piggy bank, young children? i tend to doubt it. the guy won't d spending, stuart. >> no, he will not deal with spending, under any circumstances this president will not cut spending, he will not negotiate on that issue, he will not cut spending. his policy is exactly the same now as it has been for the last four years, which is tax the rich, do not cut spending, ignore the buildup in the debt. he now owns this economy. it is his, it's got his name written all over it. >> sean: he was blaming the republicans, they forced me he to sign these things.